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Fang Team Dog

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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: Important Issue: Feeding wild foxes |
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Good or bad? It can be bad in a lot of ways but it can also be good depending on who's feeding them. Someone such as Words is a great person to feed the foxes because he takes good care of them as if they're his own pets but lets them wonder around and live free.
So is feeding wild foxes good, or is it bad? |
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James McCloud Team Dog

Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 659 Location: Indiana, U.S.
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Words Fox

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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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I think it depends on where you are, how the foxes interact with humans, and risk: to you and to the fox.
In the UK we don't have rabies. And we have lots of foxes living in urban areas. So humans and foxes are in relatively close proximity. And most forms of hunting are banned. As result, urban foxes in the UK are relatively bold with humans and the risks are reduced on both sides.
But you still need to be aware that these are not domestic animals and need to be able to survive in their environment. So they shouldn't become dependent on humans for food. Plus some people don't like foxes (really), so may complain if they become too common and too bold. Foxes can cause minor damage to gardens as well (and people do complain about that... gardens cost time and money to create). plus they foxes carry fleas and other parasites. So not everyone will welcome foxes visiting you.
I tend only to feed a few tidbits to attract them for photos (a handful of sultanas, maybe a dog biscuit left outside). They're nearby anyway and would pass through the garden, and stay around whether I fed them or not. The food keeps them here for a few minutes, that's all. And the long daytime visits are food-free. They don't get anything then.
The only real exception is when we're treating one of them for mange. Then that particular fox gets regular food so that it gets used to coming very regularly and we can make sure it gets the medicine (one dose a week for four weeks).
So I would say very small amounts of food to attract local foxes is probably ok, but definitely don't feed them enough to replace their natural diet. And don't encourage them if it will cause you or the fox problems with neighbours. That's bad for the fox! _________________ Words
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Huskian Fox

Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 99
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Words wrote: | I think it depends on where you are, how the foxes interact with humans, and risk: to you and to the fox.
In the UK we don't have rabies. And we have lots of foxes living in urban areas. So humans and foxes are in relatively close proximity. And most forms of hunting are banned. As result, urban foxes in the UK are relatively bold with humans and the risks are reduced on both sides.
But you still need to be aware that these are not domestic animals and need to be able to survive in their environment. So they shouldn't become dependent on humans for food. Plus some people don't like foxes (really), so may complain if they become too common and too bold. Foxes can cause minor damage to gardens as well (and people do complain about that... gardens cost time and money to create). plus they foxes carry fleas and other parasites. So not everyone will welcome foxes visiting you.
I tend only to feed a few tidbits to attract them for photos (a handful of sultanas, maybe a dog biscuit left outside). They're nearby anyway and would pass through the garden, and stay around whether I fed them or not. The food keeps them here for a few minutes, that's all. And the long daytime visits are food-free. They don't get anything then.
The only real exception is when we're treating one of them for mange. Then that particular fox gets regular food so that it gets used to coming very regularly and we can make sure it gets the medicine (one dose a week for four weeks).
So I would say very small amounts of food to attract local foxes is probably ok, but definitely don't feed them enough to replace their natural diet. And don't encourage them if it will cause you or the fox problems with neighbours. That's bad for the fox! |
I agree. . . I think if you are willing to continueing to feed the foxes such as Words, then it's a good thing.  _________________
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Ex-Soldier Cloud Working Dog

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TheWhiteFox Head Adminstrator

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Hikage Okami Team Dog

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Words Fox

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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
There's not a whole lot you can do unless you can talk to the person feeding and suggest they reduce the amount. Foxes are generally fine at finding what they need and don't need feeding daily (or at all, actually). I'm surprised that it is overeating, and not just caching any extra food.
Given the time of year is it possible that the 'fat fox' is actually a heavily pregnant vixen? Just a thought. They can look very rounded  _________________ Words
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TheWhiteFox Head Adminstrator

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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Words wrote: | Hi
There's not a whole lot you can do unless you can talk to the person feeding and suggest they reduce the amount. Foxes are generally fine at finding what they need and don't need feeding daily (or at all, actually). I'm surprised that it is overeating, and not just caching any extra food.
Given the time of year is it possible that the 'fat fox' is actually a heavily pregnant vixen? Just a thought. They can look very rounded  |
Ahh, I didn't think of that. _________________
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James McCloud Team Dog

Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 659 Location: Indiana, U.S.
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| TheWhiteFox wrote: | | Words wrote: | Hi
There's not a whole lot you can do unless you can talk to the person feeding and suggest they reduce the amount. Foxes are generally fine at finding what they need and don't need feeding daily (or at all, actually). I'm surprised that it is overeating, and not just caching any extra food.
Given the time of year is it possible that the 'fat fox' is actually a heavily pregnant vixen? Just a thought. They can look very rounded  |
Ahh, I didn't think of that. |
me eaither good point _________________
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SittingFox Stray Dog

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 161 Location: Migratory
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, sorry I've been a bit elusive lately
Re: feeding foxes - I'd just like to second Words on this. Foxes don't need feeding by people, and when they start actively begging they are sometimes the target of anti-fox stories in the media. Negative publicity is never a good thing when it comes to wildlife. In addition, some folks in my village put out way too much food:
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Foxes' natural diet of small mammals, berries etc is very different to the food typically provided. On the broader scale, it's also altering fox societies. Fox distribution and numbers are directly tied to distribution of food and when people start feeding them enough to replace their natural diet (as opposed to giving them a very little as photography bait, which I also do occasionally), we're tampering with ecological boundaries that are much better left alone. The territories of fed foxes might shrink, leading to higher fox densities and consequently more stressful, aggressive interactions, faster spread of diseases...the list is fairly extensive.
That's the UK. Food provided in very small amounts or as medicine doesn't hurt. However - North America is VERY different.
Coyotes, raccoons, stray dogs, even bears. There are good reasons why it is actually illegal to provide food to wild carnivores in parts of North America. Predators that become accustomed to human food can become very bold around people, leading to public fear, risk of attack, and often the animal's destruction.
Unfortunately, there is an ingrained culture is some areas that an animal that doesn't flee from people is dangerous, and normal fox behaviour like sitting watching people is taken as a threat. I had a bit of a row with the authorities in a certain Canadian national park a while ago after they "relocated" some foxes that had been fed. Sadly, while the people who provided food meant no harm, they caused massive damage to the foxes' lives. Relocation is incredibly stressful to the animal at best, fatal at worst.
For these reasons, and to protect natural ecosystems, I would advocate a blanket ban on feeding mammals in North America except for extraordinary circumstances. I've seen too many coyotes begging on the roadside to think anything else. _________________ Visit my
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Huskian Fox

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SittingFox Stray Dog

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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Huskian wrote: | SittingFox is right. Well, overfeeding anything is bad but you gotta feed wildlife a considerably amount less. Do no feed them just to feed them unless it looks like they need something to give them strength to catch their own food. Otherwise just use food as a lure for camera shots  |
Thanks Huskian but, to clarify, I was saying that there are situations when even the smallest amount of food, innocently provided, is wrong.
Every year in the US and Canada, bears and coyotes, and sometimes wolves and foxes, are shot or trapped after tasting human food and getting into trouble. No photo opportunity is worth that.
I operate very strict zero-interaction policy with wildlife when in North America, and would turn into the authorities anyone I caught feeding wildlife in wilderness areas. _________________ Visit my
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