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Silvershark
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Changing the part of the wolves would be changing what was written in the book. I don't think it should be compulsory to alter something just to suit a minority and preaching about animals would be a pain and an irritation to the movie, and with little point. If someone decided to do a new version of "Moby Dick" I wouldn't be expecting them to do a nice view of sharks (or whales) just to preach to people about how they are really nice and fluffy. I haven't seen Narnia yet, but I love the Neverending Story where (shock horror) wolves are portrayed as being evil. Still love that movie though and wouldn't want it changing. Maybe "The Jungle Book" should lose Shere Khan as the evil tiger because of the negative portrayal of tigers! Or give Shere Khan a gf so we can see his cute kitteny side...Not to mention the way the hyenas are portrayed in The Lion King...

Wolves, sharks, snakes, spiders, vultures, hyenas...they're the movies big bads and probably always will be.

I think people on both sides need to remember that it is fiction.

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Fang
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shere Khan was a tiger that was supposely protecting the forest from the people who would come and destroy parts of the forest. Wasn't evil, just a 'protector of the forest.'

Wolves have always been portrayed as evil and saying that both sides need to keep in mind that it's fiction; well, we are teaching children that wolves are evil in the stupid children books.

Moby Dick is the same way that it's protecting the other whales and such from whaling. But the story is so that people don't seek vegance on animals, really doesn't matter if the did change the whale to anything else because it's not saying that the whale is evil.

Moby Dick and Shere Khan are completely different from the stories about wolves.
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Silvershark
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moby Dick had nothing to do with a whale protecting others. It is a whaling adventure story written without any affection or understanding of the whales. In fact, throughout the book they are considered to be fish! Even the movies I've seen have nothing to do with the whale protecting others - it is a battle between man and beast.

As for Shere Kahn, can't remember anything in the movie nor the book about him being protector of the forest. In the movie, he was the evil tiger and everything was afraid of him - might I add that, in The Jungle Book what were the animals that adopted Mogali, raised him from a baby...supposedly always portrayed as evil wolves!

Childrens story books aren't designed to teach anything. its a story, fictional, not real. They are for entertainment. I wish people would remember that and stop taking works of fiction to the extremes - like what is occuring here and like believing what a fictional work says. I don't think it is right or fair to impose restrictions on people just because we don't like who the bad animal is.

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TheWhiteFox
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Jungle Book created with real actors and actresses tells the story more of Shere Kahn, the tiger. I forgot who it was made by but I'm not sure if it was Disney or not. Confused

Anyways, children books are only to help kids learn how to read and they are fiction, but some based off myth, like Little Red Riding Hood. It's also how the human mind works, if you read about a wolf eating a grandmother, trying to eat a little girl, as a kid, then you'll pick it up in your mind that wolves are evil creatures. Obviously, most little kids know that the stories of Little Red Riding Hood are not real, but the fact that the wolf has done some "evil" acts, that's what the kids will remember. Everyone knows the stories are fiction, everyone remebers they are, but the story doesn't need to have actually happened to put the image that an animal is evil in real life.

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Shoji91
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I think in The Jungle Book, wolves weren't entirely shown as "evil", but I can't really confirm it, since I've only seen the Disney version. I don't really know what they do/say in the old ones.

But now, hopefully people will now start to accept the fact that all of the wolf myths that portray them as evil are just a bunch of crap. But, there are still going to be some people who base everything on one thing they've read/seen, and those people are the stupid ones that I dislike to an extreme. -_-

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Jungle Book I'm referring to is much like the Disney version; the main character was still raised by wolves, his best friend is a bear, etc. Here's a picture:

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Huskian
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shere Kan is the protector of the forest, protecting it against mankind and other intrusions. The tiger is still feared among other animals of the forest as shown in the Disney version, but of course the tiger is feared... It's on the top of the food chain!

Moby Dick has many versions of it. The main point is though, you can't obsess over getting the biggest and best prey. The whale was defending itself against the crazed whaler and evetually Moby Dick killed the whaler, in self-defense. You can't keep going after the same dangerous prey and expect to walk away from it all the time.

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Opferte
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was busy yesterdy and didn't get a chance to see Mishomi until the evening. I went in there and he was so happy to see me, he was rubbing on me and being cuddly (He is rarely cuddly-he will grudgingly permit me to hug him, and never for long). I had to go check on the water level of one of the other pens, and he sensed it, so he layed his massive head on my legs, and fell asleep. It was probably one of the best interactions I have ever had with him. It was.. amazing. I had to leave and it was the worst part... I still have a hard time believing that a wolf can love so much, I never would have believed it unless I experienced it firsthand.
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