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wildstray
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:46 pm    Post subject: hello from an italian canine lover Reply with quote

Hi all! I just (casually) discovered this forum. I'm very interested because I love animals, expecially canids. I done many years of shelter volunteer, and I'm an animal right activist. Also I collaborate with web sites and forums on dogs and wild canids: I'm doing some information/education on canines (expecially wolves and stray dogs). A friend of mine is a naturalist reporter, and he's filming wolves since them returns on the Alps... I published a short documentary on my Youtube channel.

Some words on the situation of canines in my country. Here wolves are protected by the law, also stray dogs, and for the law there are only no-killing shelters... theorically... but in Italy there are many poachers, many wolves are illegally killed... wolves still have a bad reputation (since Middle Ages) Confused ...and about stray dogs, they're very vilifed by the press as "killer dogs", "dogs came from the hell" and so on Sad

I saw an artwork section: I like canine art, and I know many talented artists on DeviantArt that draws dogs, wolves and also wolf comics! Cool

I've few time, but I promise to visit this forum every so often Smile ...and excuse me for the bad english... Embarassed

PS: Can I link my forums, Youtube, DA, etc or it's considered spam?
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Kibib
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum, so we are nearly neighbours

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UltraMetaloid
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome, Wildstray! always great to have another animal lover around here. Welcome!

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and about stray dogs, they're very vilifed by the press as "killer dogs", "dogs came from the hell" and so on


Ouch! Wolves, I can understand. Stray dogs, on the other hand? Wow. I didn't know that kind of attitude towards wild dogs still existed in some places.

Way back in biblical times, and even before then, it was considered an insult to call someone a dog; 'dog' in this context, though, refered to the vicious, mangy strays and wild dogs that often roamed outsite city limits, scavenging off of the waste piles. No one wanted to be ascociated with such animals. Even today, it's a profanity to call someone a female dog. But I didn't know such things are still spoken of strays in some places. Neutral

I sincerely hope that people way out there in Italy don't believe everything they hear on TV, Wildstray.

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wildstray
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the welcome Smile

Kibib, where are you from?

UltraMetaloid, about the press... this is the point! Think about who we have as Premier: the master of televisions Evil or Very Mad Italians are sheeps, not wolves... Confused
I tell you what's happening here about stray dogs. Two months ago, in Sicily, some dogs of a mad old man escaped and killed a kid. They was abused, in starvation. The press accused strays. Carabinieri, along to the local mayor, did shoot many strays (as seen in TV, scared strays of small-medium size... a frightful danger for the people?). Pharmacies sold prohibited poinsons, and many dogs was (and are today) poisoned. From the Sicily to entire Italy many dogs was poisoned (and accidentally also wolves and other protected wildlife). Many volunteers (also women) was brutally attacked and beated by anti-dog people. Despite the earthquake in Abruzzo and other really bad or important news, the press continue to talk about "killer dogs" and report improbable story as dogs that "steal the shopping bags to a women" or that "hate bicycle riders" or "they're hungry so hate men"... Sad

...excuse me for this depressing story Sad Here there's much ignorance (not only about animals) Rolling Eyes I've NEVER been in troubles with stray dogs, and I approach and make friends with every dogs, expecially strays Smile
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Kibib
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am from Austria.

yes, there is going something really wrong about stray dogs (and other canids) in europe, not just in Italy, I heard similar reports from other european countries (Greece, Spain and eastern europe) partly forced by the government partly only by some really stupid people, some organisations try to spay/neutur and vaccine stray dogs and release them but with little support by the governments.

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: Re: hello from an italian canine lover Reply with quote

wildstray wrote:

PS: Can I link my forums, Youtube, DA, etc or it's considered spam?


You can post those links if you wish to Smile Welcome to the forums Welcome! I hope you enjoy being here and reading through all the interesting topics we have relating to wolves and dogs. Not so much stray dogs yet though. Ignorance is far too common.

Again welcome.

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wildstray
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kibib wrote:
I am from Austria.


Beautiful places! And it isn't a cinophobic country as Italy is...

Kibib wrote:
yes, there is going something really wrong about stray dogs (and other canids) in europe, not just in Italy, I heard similar reports from other european countries (Greece, Spain and eastern europe) partly forced by the government partly only by some really stupid people, some organisations try to spay/neutur and vaccine stray dogs and release them but with little support by the governments.


Here there isn't the politic of spay/neuter and release (however provided for the law!) because of anti-dog people and stupid public administrators... only pounds or private shelters, and many of them are real lagers! Sad And yet would be enough doing correct information and education about the dogs by the press, to persuade people to cohabit with stray dogs... Rolling Eyes

(...I'm doing a nice english exercise here Laughing)
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wildstray
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: hello from an italian canine lover Reply with quote

TheWhiteFox wrote:

You can post those links if you wish to Smile Welcome to the forums Welcome! I hope you enjoy being here and reading through all the interesting topics we have relating to wolves and dogs. Not so much stray dogs yet though. Ignorance is far too common.

Again welcome.


Thanks again for the welcome! Very Happy

Ok, here is some links... maybe interesting for you all...

My Youtube channel:

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There are some short documentaries on wolves. Look at my subscriptions for other really interesting channels on wolves, foxes and digoes.

A gorgeous forum where I'm a mod:

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Only in italian (but there's an intl. section). A forum on canids and felids: from fictional canids and felids to real ones. Also many art and some brilliant wolves/dogs comics! I write a lot there, expecially news and curiosities in the sections "real canines". My nick is randagio (= stray in italian)

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Nothing special: some photos from my hikes (...I hope to do some photos of wolves in the wild... they there are where I hike, but they're really shy and hidden... I saw only tracks...) Sometimes I use the journal to launch positive messages about dog/wolves and petitions.

My Flickr account:

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Open since few days... still empty. But look at my groups for interesting photos of dog/wolves and other canids.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello from the Netherlands! Smile

Been in Italy a couple of times before. The only sentence that I still remember is 'Non parlo Italiano' Razz

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wildstray
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlueWolf wrote:
Hello from the Netherlands! Smile

Been in Italy a couple of times before. The only sentence that I still remember is 'Non parlo Italiano' Razz


Ciao BlueWolf che non parla italiano Laughing
You're not alone... I remember of that time that I went to Belgium, and I knew only two/three basic french phrases as "je ne pas parler français" Razz

A little curiosity about canids and italian language. Here the majority of nouns have a gender. So I can speak about male or female wolf (lupo/lupa), male or female dog (cane/cagna... but "cagna" isn't a very good definition because stay also for bitch... so we affectionately use the term of "cana" for a she-dog). For other canids the translation is more complex: licaone/licaonessa for male and female african wild dog, coyote/coytessa, and so on... for dingoes and dhole we can change the gender of the article: un dingo/una dingo, un dhole/una dhole. And the fox?! There's only one word: volpe, that is the translation of fox. In this particular case isn't possibile change the gender of the article. So, how to distinguish between dogfox and vixen? We cannot! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildstray wrote:
A little curiosity about canids and italian language. Here the majority of nouns have a gender. So I can speak about male or female wolf (lupo/lupa), male or female dog (cane/cagna... but "cagna" isn't a very good definition because stay also for bitch... so we affectionately use the term of "cana" for a she-dog). For other canids the translation is more complex: licaone/licaonessa for male and female african wild dog, coyote/coytessa, and so on... for dingoes and dhole we can change the gender of the article: un dingo/una dingo, un dhole/una dhole. And the fox?! There's only one word: volpe, that is the translation of fox. In this particular case isn't possibile change the gender of the article. So, how to distinguish between dogfox and vixen? We cannot! Laughing


lol, and I thought Dutch was weird. Sometimes you add things and sometimes you change the whole word. For some we don't have a word at all Rolling Eyes
English -> Dutch - male - female
fox -> vos - reu - moervos
dog -> hond - reu - teef
wolf -> wolf - ...none? - wolvin
cat -> kat - kater - poes


oh, and by the way, saw a screenshot at your DA:
Hi from another happy Linux user!! Which distro are you using? I'm using Ubuntu (with gnome)

edit: forgot the 'kater' Razz

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wildstray
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlueWolf wrote:

lol, and I thought Dutch was weird. Sometimes you add things and sometimes you change the whole word. For some we don't have a word at all Rolling Eyes
English -> Dutch - male - female
fox -> vos - reu - moervos
dog -> hond - reu - teef
wolf -> wolf - ...none? - wolvin
cat -> kat - ...none? - poes


Interesting! Times ago I opened two topics on the Wild Fangs forum: wolf and dog in all languages of the world. Now I thing to repeat that research with the gender! Studying

For the cat our term is gatto/gatta... but affectionately we call them micio/micia (I thing that stay for kitten or pussycat).

BlueWolf wrote:

oh, and by the way, saw a screenshot at your DA:
Hi from another happy Linux user!! Which distro are you using? I'm using Ubuntu (with gnome)


Thanks for visiting my DA Smile My OS is a Debian 5.0 with KDE 3.5 (KDE is old, but I hate KDE 4 due to the "plasmoids" that I think to be ugly and slowing down the system). My "PC" is a Mac Mini Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So late here, but Welcome!

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James McCloud wrote:
So late here, but Welcome!


Thanks! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildstray wrote:
A little curiosity about canids and italian language...


Interesting. Lupo/lupa..cane/cana. Thanks for the little Italian lesson, wildstray. I don't like the term 'bitch' because of the profanity issue. In my mind, I usually use 'Dame' instead, a term used sometimes in the breeding business. (Sire/dame)

When I first learned about foxes, I liked the term, 'vixen'. I thought, man, they have it so much better than dogs do when it comes to nicknames. I also learned that 'dogfox' or 'dog' is used for the male most commonly. Me, I think that foxes are not dogs and to call one a dog is probably a bit of a insult Razz . But whatever, that's what they are called so I guess it has to do. Males are also sometimes refered to in british slang as 'tods' or 'renards'.

As for wolves...I'm a bit stuck on that one. The same terms are used as for dogs, but I don't like it. I think they certainly don't deserve to be called a profanity, though some may disagree with me. I want to come up with new english terms for male/female wolf. Something more dignified than 'bitch'. Any ideas?

A lot of foreign languages seem to use gender based nouns. I think German has neutral noun forms, as well as male/female. So three different forms, not counting plurality, which would make it six. I wonder why English doesn't do the male/female thing? Of course English is kind of a weird language any way you look at it. An English tutor I once had described it as 'A garbage dump of other languages' So many of our words were borrowed and modified versions of other languages, we must have the most unoriginal language in the world.

I take it your learning English as a second language, correct? Your doing really well. I'm told it's a hard language to learn as your second. Out of curiosity, how much is English used in Italy?

Oh yeah, by the way, you can call me Ultra for short. Everyone does.

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